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社保好不好
I can’t poibly agree with you
I think we have agreed to disagree.我想我们有相同点和不同点。
g.that’s not（entirely）true.那不（完全）正确。
h.I can’t poibly agree with you.我不可能同意你。
all right，but don’t you think…？好吧，但难道你不觉得…… how do you see it？你怎么看它？
5.My dear friend give me a clear answear please now.亲爱的朋友,请现在就给我一个清楚的解释.“弱势群体”问题在当前正引起全社会的高度重视。我们理解现在所提出的“弱势群体”不是原有的社会帮扶对象，因为那已经有了一套完善的社会福利和社会救济系统（如残疾人、孤寡老人、孤儿等）。现在所指的“弱势群体”，在城镇就是指下岗失业没有收入的人，在农村是指偏僻落后和贫困地区的农民。
1、My dear fellow opponents, can you give me an Accurate definition of what is the welfare system2、You are absolutely absolutely right!but Can you tell me the welfare system will help who? How can do you identify the disadvantaged groups? That will lead many people pretent to be the disadvantaged,and cheat the government for the welfare money.实行全民福利制的北美西欧的后遗症是：寻找社会保障的贫民从农村向大城市沉淀，中产阶级外逃，形成纽约、洛杉矶等大城市中的贫民窟和犯罪集团，导致早期核心经济区的衰落。
3、From the internet I got the information that after the developped countries carried out the welfare system a large amount of poor flood into city from country and at the same time the Middle-cla run away from the downtown which formed the slum(贫民窟)and criminal group.All these will lead the decline of economy.美国西欧“福利国家”的种种富贵病,包括本地工人的怠惰化，日益依靠外地劳工和非法移民，产业外移，大政府的低效率和财政负担，根子上都是和社会保障制度有关的。
4、Western Europe countries have the phenomenon that local workers are more lazy because of the welfare system,at the same time the system will increase the burden of the government.人类社会几千年来，家庭就是基本的社会保障单位。社会保障制度把养老的负担移交给国家，造成家庭和社区瓦解，多数儿童成长于单亲家庭，导致青少年严重的心理和社会问题。
5、As we all known the family is the basic unit of social security for thousand of years,however the welfare system transferred the burden to the government that will lead the broken of family,then more and more childen grow up in single parent familythen lead to the teenage serious psychological and social problems.中年人税负过重，妇女不愿生育，人口出生率下降过度，劳动力严重不足。产业界不得不依靠非法移民，原有居民和新移民的矛盾不断升级。
6、I’m afraid i disagree!Do you know? The welfare system will make the midlle-aged people
pay more for the tax, afer that the women don't want to birth,the birth rate decline, then will have a serious shortage of labor force.At that time the iundunstry have to rely on illegal immigrants,then the conflict between the original residents and new immigrants is promoted.7、The shortage of labor force will cause the industry move outside from our country to those
ones whose labor is more sufficientandit will easy to draw the conclusion that we will lose many chaces of making money.统一社保将严重削弱中国的国际竞争力，外资将流向劳动力价格更低廉国家，从而削弱而非加强社会稳定。
8、To some extant,the welfare system will weaken the international competitivene of
China,that means a large amount of Foreign funds will flow to the countrieswhose labor price is lower than ours..do you agree？
西欧的社会保障远比美国完善，其失业率远比美国高，国际竞争力也比美国为弱。You are right,but the truth is that Western Europe's welfare system is better than the United States, but the unemployment rate is far higher than that in the United States, the international competitivene is also weakerthan the United States.that is why?can you Remove my doubts?中国之所以成为国际资本和劳动密集型产业的转移地，并成功维持了长时间的经济高速增长，就在于中国没有统一的平衡的劳动社会保障体系，劳动力成本低，社会负担轻。
9、Why does china maitain a rapid growth in economy?do you know? Let me tell you ,that is
because our labar cost littler than other developped countries.if we do not have the welfare system,the cost will be lower than now, and the economy will countiue grow.中国目前政府的预算内财政收入仅占GDP的15％左右。凡是实行社保制度的发达国家，政府税收达GDP的30－50％以上。美国这样的发达国家都不愿实行像加拿大那样的社会保障体系，中国如何付得起？
说得太好了，您的经历不也折射出中国现在两大社会问题的根源吗？一个是青年失业变成啃老族。另一个是社保基金的来源面临枯竭，要挪用国家建设资金救急。
10、My dear fellow opponents,do you agree with me that the welfare system will support the
lazy man.we can see the NEET group(啃老族)stay at home to share their parents’ retirement allowance.On the other hand, we must face the truth that the source of the social security funds run out.so do you really think the welfare system is suitable to Chinese national conditions?
首先讨论中国人口的主体部分——农民。占我国总人口的70%。如果这些农民全部加入社保大军，国家可以养得起嘛？如果国家养不起，这些人必定会成为社会的不稳定或者说是不安定因素，那么何以谈论，和谐社会？
Let us talk about the fact, china has a population of 13 billion and 70% of them are farmers,they do not join the welfare system before,but now the government want to push them into the systemm, can that be real?
全国社会保障基金理事会理事长戴相龙称高达1.3万亿元人民币，但全国在账面上留存的金额只剩下1500亿元。
We have the data that the social security funds(社保基金)is As high as 1.3 trillion yuan RMB,but the amount on the boolet is only 150 billion yuan.Do you really think the welfare system will last somehow?全国各城市均遭遇养老金不足难题，上海也不例外。虽然上海相关部门并没有明确透露养老金缺口有多大，但相关数据显示，自从1999年起，上海的养老保险金缺口累计已达百亿元，养老金短缺已经成为中央政府和地方政府亟需解决的难题。
1、我国人口正在逐步老龄化。人口老龄化使老年人的养老、医疗、社会服务等问题更加突出。中国养老保险长期实行现收现付制，没有留出积累资金。老龄化提前到来，意味着“未富先老”，中国社会保障体系面临着养老负担重、筹集资金难和医疗费用大等诸多挑战。
7、历史隐性债务问题。我国社会保障制度改革始于上世纪80年代中期。此前退休的人员没有缴纳过养老金，也就没有个人账户，此前参加工作的人员个人账户由开始缴纳养老金时算起，个人账户不完整。因此这些人的退休费用就只能由正在工作中的人员来承担。一旦进入老龄化社会后，当期收取的养老金是不可能支付得起退休人员的退休费用的。如果不能采取多种措施化解由于新旧养老制度转型而形成的对中老年职工的历史欠账，未来终将会对我国社会保障制度产生重大冲击。目前，基本养老保险基金存在巨额缺口，支付压力逐年增大，支付风险日益凸显。
8、省及省以下的社会保障基金只能存入银行，或购买国债。而一段时期以来，我国银行和国债利率都较低，目前银行利率已经低于通货膨胀率。在实际利率为负的情况下，社会保障资金事实上正在贬值。
You are right.but the truth is that the social security funds can only be put into the bank, or buy Treasury bonds.Currently, the bank interest rate is below the inflation rate.In the real interest rate is negative, in fact the social security funds are devalued.9、中西部不发达地区是劳动力的输出地，输出的劳动力在发达地区打工并缴纳社会保障金。但是在社会保障统筹层次难以提高、区际转移难以推行的现实情况下，他们缴纳的资金只能留在发达地区，而不能带回去。这也是造成东部发达地区社会保障资金充裕，中西部不发达地区资金匮乏的重要原因之一，从而形成“以贫养富”的奇怪现象，使原本就不平衡的区域发展更加不平衡。
2、现在我国进入老龄化阶段，用我们交的资金去养现阶段的老龄人。过了几十年，我国人口会下降，到时候我们老了，还有钱给我们吗？（很不解）
Our country is stepping into the aging stage, now the government use the money we paid to support the old,after several decades,the population will decrease.then who will pay for us when we are old? Do the government will have enough money?
